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Discussion Title: Baby borrowers
Created by: gail Created on: Tue, 06/17/2008 - 12:35pm. I know, I said I wouldn't be back, and I'm not, but I wanted to reach everybody I could about this issue. I sent this e-mail to everybody on my address list, and then I thought of all of you.
I read yesterday in the paper about a TV show that is going to begin airing on June 25 on NBC. I was really upset about the show and I wanted to invite you to join me if you happen to agree with me.
I'm sending this to everyone on my address list, so if you don't remember who I am, Sorry!
Just wanted you to know, as quickly as possible, that I will regretfully end my 45 year long relationship with what has been a fine network if you air a single episode of baby borrowers. That you have condoned removing children for 72 hours from their primary caregivers is abominable. Your purported admirable motive blinded you to participating in human slavery and abuse.
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Replied: 6/23/2008 7:02pm.
Sballlvr
Did you know you have a clone on the NBC message boards, a psychologist who has inside knowledge about what actually went on on the baby borrowers set? How shocking that NBC would appropriate your name! If you have contact, or a telepathic connection with the clone, could you ask for help in responding to this discussion?
Your clone said that more would have to happen to these children than the attachment disruption that occurred during the filming. So, how much waking time per day did the children spend with their own parents?
And the "more" that would have to happen. What if an infant or toddler was videotaped in extreme, prolonged distress, and the parents were aware of, but unresponsive to the distress. By unresponsive, I mean that surrogates were sent to deal with the distress when the parents were aware, and this was also videoed. What if that videotape was available to that child's peers, community, extended family, and that child as the child grew up.
What if the original trauma were compounded by being revisited from time to time in such a form, with relatives and strangers aware?
I know. Up til now, that experiment has not been done. Any answer would be speculation. MaryKate and Ashley Olsen would be the closest approximation so far, and no unresponsive behavior was documented in the video we saw of them, and anytime we did see the parents, the parents were being responsive.
I can only imagine, but I think some serious discussion should take place before the infant episode and the toddler episode are aired. These kids will have some documented justification for shouting at their parents, "You care about other people more than you care about me, so why should I care about me!?!"
In your clone's professional opinion, do I have reason to be concerned? Oh, and it will probably be real boring for you to watch the broadcast, as your clone has probably seen enough footage for both of you.
Replied: 6/23/2008 7:19pm.
Everybody but sballvr. It seems that NBC is watching us! Please, step this up a notch or two. call your local NBC affiliate. Ask your friends to read this board so they can decide if they will call your local affiliate. Find out if there is a larger corp. that owns your local affiliate, and call them. Do a search for NBC advertisers, and call them. Intel is one, so is Nissan, I forget the rest and you can find out. This is America, where money does talk, especially when it is walking out the door.
Replied: 6/24/2008 1:01am.
sballvr
Then do you have time to give us a brief summary of the Milgram experiment, for those who don't care to do the research? And what is your understanding of attachment, and just how much distress it takes to disrupt that bond? You did state on the NBC board that you are a psychologist, so you are much more well-versed on both those subjects than I am. You could probably do that in 5 min.
And I have NOTHING more important to do, because there are few things more important than the relationship between a child and the child's parents, right?
Replied: 6/24/2008 1:29am.
Don't let your response to the other baby borrowers board be your only response. Call your local NBC affiliate. Call the parent company of your local NBC affiliate. Call NBC advertisers. Mr. Murdoch decided not to show the OJ special. Maybe Mr. Silverman can make a smart business decision based on real data, too. I don't know if it would be too much for him to make an ethical business decision. Real harm balanced against the possibility of benefit and profit$.
Does NBC own USA Network? apparently there is some coverage of the Olympics on USA Network. I might be able to keep my word and enjoy the Olympics, too.
Goodnight, all.
Replied: 6/24/2008 1:33am.
Another OCD moment. RATS! I searched it. NBC does own USA Network. I'm going to try and get some sleep. RATS RATS RATS!
Replied: 6/24/2008 3:44am.
Nice research work Gail. I see sballvr is not around to repudiate any of your comments. How could a professional support this. It beggars belief.
Replied: 6/24/2008 8:11am.
Any other lonely human beings out their with nothing better to do, I'm watching a lot of NBC today. I'm going to call the advertisers after every commercial break. If you, in your loneliness, could spend an hour or two with me, that would be terrific! I've got other commitments tomorrow, but that would also be useful. And if somebody could set up a site for their own friends to address their market, that would be great. And for concerned, I know you think this is a waste of time. I acknowledge I may not be successful, but success and failure are often not related to the value of effort. And two people who posted here have contacts to the show. Those people have been affected. They are not as comfortable with the situation as they were before. That is already success.
Replied: 6/24/2008 9:11am.
Never thought I'd say this. We have had our conflicts before on here but I'd like to say GO GAIL. Wish something like this had been done when it was shown over here in Britain. BBC television is a big corporation just like NBC.
Replied: 6/24/2008 9:14am.
Just noticed in the margin which gives new and popular discussions that 'baby borrowers' isn't mentioned although it has generated a lot of discussion and opinions. Wonder why that is? It does talk about curfews and we haven't discussed that in ages. Am I being too suspicious.
Replied: 6/24/2008 10:04am.
Yes, you are being too suspicious, that list is determined by total number of responses, and I have about 40 to go before this discussion has more responses than curfews. So, If you really don't want to see this board hit that list, post on curfews. Got to go downtown and help my brother. Bye