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Discussion Title: Baby borrowers
Created by: gail Created on: Tue, 06/17/2008 - 12:35pm. I know, I said I wouldn't be back, and I'm not, but I wanted to reach everybody I could about this issue. I sent this e-mail to everybody on my address list, and then I thought of all of you.
I read yesterday in the paper about a TV show that is going to begin airing on June 25 on NBC. I was really upset about the show and I wanted to invite you to join me if you happen to agree with me.
I'm sending this to everyone on my address list, so if you don't remember who I am, Sorry!
Just wanted you to know, as quickly as possible, that I will regretfully end my 45 year long relationship with what has been a fine network if you air a single episode of baby borrowers. That you have condoned removing children for 72 hours from their primary caregivers is abominable. Your purported admirable motive blinded you to participating in human slavery and abuse.
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Replied: 6/22/2008 3:54pm.
Sorry but did I miss a post. I can't remember Gail saying anything about watching the Olympics?
Replied: 6/22/2008 4:21pm.
All the controversy is making me want to check this show out even more. I'm sure I am not alone. Airs on the 25th!
Replied: 6/22/2008 4:47pm.
Yeah, way too long ago, in the heading of this board,I vowed to never watch NBC again, and they are the Olympic network, so I'm not going to watch the Olympics. Unless NBC's execs decide that the people who don't want baby borrowers are a more lucrative mine than people who do want it. They also have a show coming this fall that I am interested in, "Crusoe." Oh well, I suppose I could read Defoe's book. Again. Or watch the Dick Van Dyke movie.
That comparison to Hitler -- my emotions get me into trouble, but Hitler was going to improve the world, as I recall. He just had everybody's best interest at heart. And he had a PR machine that was really effective. And a lot of people who didn't really agree with him just stood back and let it happen. Nobody is getting gassed here. Nobody's possessions and homes and businesses are getting stolen and ruined. Nobody's hides are being made into soap and lampshades. Nobody is starving. Not just like Hitler. Enough like Hitler.
Anybody who is boycotting the Olympics because of Chinese human rights issues, more power to you, but it isn't my passion. I think that issue is also important, so I leave it to those who are articulate and well versed in that field.
Replied: 6/22/2008 8:40pm.
Gail,
In response to your post about suing NBC if there's long-term damage to a child: I suppose this is an option, but how wld you prove that it was the show that caused the damage? Don't you think that wld be almost impossible to prove, especially yrs down the road? Just wondering what your thoughts (or anyone else's thoughts) are on this.
Replied: 6/22/2008 10:55pm.
In my personal experience that I shared earlier I can remember when the attachment was broken between my mother and I. It was after I went back to the neighbor's house on the second day of her absence. It became normal. I seemed fine. I played with the toys and did normal 5 year old things. Nobody really knew I was broken for years... not until I attempted suicide at the age of 10. These babies won't remember not caring if their mothers call or not. So it may be hard to prove, but if they want to call me as a witness, I'd be happy to oblige. The person who told Gail to do her research. I have a degree in child development and attachment studies involving strangers have been done in less time than this. Do your own research.
Replied: 6/23/2008 12:54am.
2xstepmom and Jothegrill have both done a better job of articulating the problem with the show than I have, from their own experience. Please, if you are reading this on or before June 25, 2008 call your local NBC affiliate. Ask them to air something in that time-slot about the Milgram experiment, or about attachment for babies and toddlers.
They could capitalize on the publicity about baby borrowers, truly educate the public, and maybe sell even more advertising.
I will be away from technology tomorrow (no, it is not a 24 hr. psyche evaluation, I have to go hang out with the cub scouts).
And I AM really going to stop calling people (even corporate ones) nasty names. It just cheapens the debate, and I should know better.
Replied: 6/23/2008 1:15am.
For those who are comparing this to daycare, saying it's better/safer. Perhaps it is physically safer than many daycares, the difference concerning attachment is that the parent comes and takes their child home every single day. It is consistent. Also there is no one at the daycare pretending to be "mommy" or "daddy". I remember my husband's brother teasing my daughter when she was a toddler and telling her that he was her daddy. She screamed and cried. Those roles and names are a serious thing.
Replied: 6/23/2008 10:11am.
I googled baby borrowers forums last night and was shocked that of the top 6 on the list none of them mentioned concern for the attachment of the children, even though the original post asked what people thought were the negatives and positives of the show. There were a few who said they wouldn't do that to their own child, but that they wanted to see what happens. I have yet to see a child development specialist who currently works in the field post their professional opinion about this show. I would love to see it. Any takers?
Replied: 6/23/2008 10:17am.
I don't know what you would consider as a child development specialist, but I have a degree in and work in Early childhood education and childcare. Child development, sociology and psychology play a major part in this qualification. I am totally against this 'experiment'
Replied: 6/23/2008 1:09pm.
junieg--
Yes, Gail said that she hopes they don't air Baby Borrowers on Wednesday so that she can watch the Olympics instead.