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Discussion Title: Repeat first grade???
Created by: mom2julesj... Created on: Wed, 05/09/2007 - 3:22pm. Hi, Hopefully, someone can give me some feedback. My son, Jacob, is in the first grade. He will be 7 on August 15, so he's one of the youngest in his class. He has been struggling all year with reading, which often affects other subjects. He goes for special reading help with the learning specialist and has made some very slow progress. He is reading at like a "primer" level and to me, is starting to progress forward to the next level very soon. His teacher really feels that he should be held back in first grade. She says he has some maturity issues that really show. She constantly has to keep him on track and keep him working at the tasks. I asked her if she felt it was an attention problem. She feels it is not because he does not have that "spacey" look when not being attentive. She does not think he's exhibiting symptoms of like ADD. She thinks it's a maturity problem and that he might be just shutting off the lesson because he feels overwhelmed by it. I ask him about school and he says it's easy....his work is often rushed. When he doesn't feel like it..he just writes "mumble-jumble". I don't know what to do. Part of me feels he needs to stay back another year....part of me says that would hurt him too much. Any ideas? Jeanne mom-Jacob 6 and Julia 9
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Replied: 1/14/2008 2:12pm.
Hello,
I've been an educator for 25 years. I've taught first grade, I've taught teachers how to teach reading, I've tutored students having difficulty learning to read, and possibly, most importantly I'm a parent of a teenage boy who hates to read!
Many people have offered great suggestions. What I tell parents in your position is:
1. trust your gut
2. your attitude/repsonse will make a difference in your child's attitude
3. consider what your child thinks
4. research on the benefits of retention indicates that it makes little difference
5. boys tend to have more trouble learning to read than girls
6. consider keeping your child with his peers and providing good one-on-one tutoring in reading
7. if the biggest issue is the reading, will another year repeating the same curriculum or approach help???
8. don't transfer anxiety about reading to your child - continue to read aloud to him so he LOVES books and reading even though he can't yet read them on his own - many kids, especially boys, don't learn to read until later so we (teachers and parents) have to keep their self-esteem in tack in the meantime!
Good luck!
Replied: 1/17/2008 12:36am.
I know just what you are feeling and you are not alone. My Daughter Kayty who is know in 2nd grade is exactly how you described your son. Last year I was going back and forth tring to decide if I should hold her back and I did not. I really played around with several ideas. Kayty's Birthday is August 10 again the youngest in her class. I was going to homeschool her, but I was afraid she would get lost in the shuffle of at home life so I ruled that out. I really did not like her Teacher, I felt there was not much help from her, She did get help with reading. Not know at the begining of May what I was going to do I asked for any sheets that they could give me so I can work the summer with her, I also googled 1st grade reading and that came up with many many websites. I did not keep her back, I went to her 2nd grade teacher (who was just out of college) and told her that my daughter had a hard time in 1st grade and I thought about home schooling her but I dont want to pull her out of her friends... but I want progress reports saying how things are going as often as needed, and the first sign of trouble I will pull her out and homeschool. Kayty has still had a hard year, sometimes can get very frusterated and asks to be homeschooled But I do beleive she has come a long way. She still needs help reading but she keeps reading Dick and Jane books and The Bopsy Twins and Are you my Mother by Dr. Suess. She feels proud of her self when she gets to Pg 94 in the Dick and Jane book. I think You should follow your heart, do what works for Jacob. And work hard with him and it could all work out. I hope letting you know my ordeal really helps you out. Good luck.
Replied: 2/6/2008 10:01pm.
I made the decision today to have my daughter repeat the first grade, after meeting with her teacher today. Her teacher didn't bring it up, I did. I asked how old the other kids were in her class. Most are seven. My daughter will be 7 in June. She was also born six weeks early. The teacher showed me other students work and said my daughter was having a hard time focusing in class, behind in her reading and blending words together and spelling. She has a few maturaty issues also. It was like a lightbulb went off over both of our heads when we realized my daughter is almost a year and a half younger than most all the other students. She feels too much pressure to perform, panics and often cries when she can't do the work. I thought the same way you did about how it might make her feel bad to be held back, but then I realized that is nothing compared to the years of torment she will continue to go through if she has to struggle harder and harder to keep up. I would much rather hold her back now and make sure she is secure with the basics before I attempt to push her ahead and pressure her to catch up. God Bless. I wish you well with your child. It is a very tough decision.
Ing
Replied: 2/12/2008 1:55pm.
I have a son with a July 2nd birthday. I decided early on I wanted him to be 6 before he started Kindergarten, but was forced because of circumstances to place him in K when he was 5 with the idea he would take Kindergarten twice. It is now February and he has had some maturity level issues (writing on his/classmates shirts, going to nurse having pretend bathroom accidents), but academically he is doing fine. He recognizes words and can read step one and parts of step 2 books, and his teacher continues to give him good marks.
We have a meeting with his teacher next week (she’ll be meeting with all her students parents). She said the topic will be “is your child ready for the first grade?”. Like I said, I want him to repeat Kindergarten, but I’m afraid the teacher is going to say he can move on because he’s doing fine academically. Am I being selfish? Wanting to give my son another year of maturity? I’ve read plenty of the pros of him repeating…what would be some of the cons for him to take Kindergarten again?
Replied: 2/19/2008 2:11pm.
Let me tell the story (abridged version, of course) of my daughter, Josie. She is 7 (will be 8 next month, March) and is in first grade. She started Kindergarten when she was 5 ½ at a small private school. After 6 weeks, the school decided that she was not the right “material” and expelled her. At that point, since I had not other option and not much time to figure anything else out, I placed her in the other small school in my county. I live in a very small town in Tennessee. Instead of placing her in the Kindergarten program, the school and I decided that she need “pre-K.” She went through pre-K and Kindergarten at this school. She was making some progress, but by the time Kindergarten graduation rolled around, the school felt that she would either need to repeat, again, or I needed to move her to another school that would offer special resources through the State. My daughter is extremely ADHD/ADD. She was also premature; slow at walking, talking, etc. She is rather immature for her age. I put her in one best public school that our county has to offer and she is doing awesome! She is making such progress. She is reading, not fluently, but still so much better than August of last year. She is 7 now. I had a meeting with her teacher last Friday and they are not in favor of sending her to second grade. Although she is making progress, she is still not at “benchmark” as far as what she needs to be reading for second grade level. As I mentioned, she will be 8 by the end of this school year. I am very hesitant about repeating her, considering her age and size (she is a very tall, but skinny, child). I also am hesitant about sending her on because I do realize that she is probably not ready. I know I wrote a book, but I am a single mother (with no help at all) who desperately needs someone to talk to.
Thanks, Kim
Replied: 2/29/2008 1:02pm.
this is a reply to someone who posted on this thread it is not directed to the person who started the thread only to say I've been there I've done that and you need to trust yourself
Dear School Volunteer,(didnt make note of your name)
Ive taken some of the things you said and marked them in quotes.
Having no idea if you are educated in your job in anyway you are displaying in your response to this mom the very best of the "US against The Parents," syndrome a lot of schools and school employees fall into. Parents have valuable and unique insight into the needs of their own children. They should be looked at like members of the education team NOT totally dismissed like you have just done.
"I'm a school volunteer--every day, in a first-grade class. If a teacher recommends retaining a child, do it."
"Immature children come from loving homes where the mother does everything for the child. Need I say more? "
I was told my son was immature and that was the reason he was behind and not learning in grade one. My son had responsibilities, he had chores and he had obligations. He ALSO had dyslexia, and significant difficulty with long term and short term memory. Even though I was being told the solution was to hold him back, they had not even read his evaluations made in kindergarten. Unfortunatly my sons father belives like you, the school ALWAYS knows the answer and I allowed my self to feel bullied into letting him be held back, at the end of grade one the SECOND TIME he was still at the same spot beginner grade one. So that was a WASTED year.
"Most parents don't want to see tears in the eyes of their children when they finally come to the realization that maybe they need to make their child sit down EVERY DAY and practice until perfect, so they don't make them practice reading EVERY DAY. All it takes is 15 minutes of quality time practice a day."
MY son and I read EVERY SINGLE DAY since the time he was 18 months old, Practice until perfect? for a child with my sons short term and long term memory problems that would have taken LONGER then 15 minutes it would have been HOURS and at the end of it it would have left the two of us tired and hating school, only to start over the very next day with nothing there that had been worked on the day before.
Lady on this you fall so far from the mark i dont even know what to say. Its back to that Us against them Judging parents. You dont even know what goes on in that family but you assume that the kid doesnt have to do anything. Its a SAD SAD attitude and it sounds more then a little hostile to parents.
"I suspect that this child cannot CORRECTLY form his letters, and all it takes is a $3 School-Zone work book with lowercase alaphabet letters, from Wal-Mart, and a little daily practice."
No im sorry that isnt ALL it takes. Perhaps what it really does take is some compassion and understanding, oh and how about respect. I have the $3 School zone books ... LOTS of them
Take a look at your reply to this mother. I hope you are embarassed with the way it appears. Try being supportive of parents. You will probably find that they like you a lot better at school if they dont feel you judging them as they walk in the door.
By the way,
I teach every day, I don't volunteer.
Replied: 3/5/2008 2:15pm.
Jeanne,
I am in the same exact situation, but my son just turned 7 in March. We are having alot of the same issues you mentioned re: rushed work, delayed reading, shutting down when it gets to tough etc. However, my teachers are saying that he is needing lots of redirection...and implying we need to look into ADD.
I am considering moving to private school and holding him back to give him a year to mature and experience success.
I am curious whatyou chose to do.
Replied: 3/7/2008 3:29pm.
Hi Jeanne,
I am going through the same thing that your going through my son just turned 7 and hes in the first grade his teacher wonts him to be held back next school year ,but i still have mixed emotions on it because the teacher is saying that his reading and comphresions are behind but, he does fine when he is at home and at friends houses I did have his eyes tested and he did need glasses but his teacher condredicts (spell) herself though just in Jan she was telling me that he was doing well and keeping up with the class and then less than a month she is telling me that he is having trouble in class I have to meet with the teacher in april to determind whether he should be retained or not but were are working very hard and he is doing good but i pretty convienced that his teacher is still going to wont to retain him despite all of the hard work he has done. As the parent you get the final descion you know your son better than any one, one thing that helps me is getting diffrent advices and doing research on the matter.
Replied: 3/11/2008 10:19am.
Jeanee,
I really think you need to get him checked out by a developmental optometrist. I am a vision therapist in Hudson, WI and he sounds exactly like the kids we treat here. Visual processing and eye teaming issues exhibit 80% of the same symptoms at ADHD. I would go to either www.christensonvisioncare.com or www.covd.org for more information.
Good luck!
Amber
Replied: 3/11/2008 12:56pm.
Hi Jeanne,
I actually went/am going through the same thing. I know how hard it is to make this decision, from personal experience. My son, David, now 8, they wanted to hold back in kinder. But unlike my daughter, Monica, now 15, whom has a learning disorder, I could recognize the difference between the two. David, memorizes and picks up on alot quickly. He too is at the young end for his grade as his birthday is in Oct. I went through a big battle pushing him on and continue to have obsticales and hills to climb. But though I doubt myself at times for my decision of moving him on I know that I made the decision that I felt was right for my son. I have a lot of people that I have dealt with in my circle of life with the many different types of challenges my kids have come across, and the main thing that I learned is that you need to focus on what you know is best for your child. I know that if David was held back he would've been bored to death. He learns something and wants to move so he might not have the eye contact. His reading in slow and his writing in at times mumble jumble too. I know it can be frustrating. I took David for an outside consultation, meaning outside the school district. They came back with details on what learning techinque is better for him and that he does have ADHD. You will be suprised on how much they feed off each other. If they have trouble reading thats where they then loose there interst and guess what out the door the focus goes. I really suggest for your peice of mind and your childs interest, get an outside assessment done with a pshycologist that specializes with kids that have learning disorders. You can ask your pediatrician to refer you to one. Beleive me it helps to know what your dealing with and how to work with it. I did the same for my daughter because in her school, the school, kept wanting to mainstream her, no longer give her services. Which I knew she was not ready for that. Well again they gave me specifics in how to help her and also said she has ADHD. Both have a different type of ADHD though. Both have issues reading but different learning methods were give for each of them. David has the combination type ADHD, so he is calm, but can be active at times. Not even so much active but hard to stay focused. Monica, you would say "yeah right, she has ADHD", she is calm as a sleeping, purring cat, but come take a look at her room, it looks like a tornado went through there. Give her more than a task at a time, try three be lucky she does one.
Sorry I gave you soooo much info on my family, but I know it helps when you hear your not alone and someone else out there is going or has gone through the same or simalar to what you are. Deep in your heart, you know in your gut what is right for your child. Not to keep going on, but I remember telling the principal of my daughter elementary school that. I knew holding her back was not the best for her, she was tiny so she could've, but we had just moved, she wears glasses and like I said is tiny. Now I was suppose to hold her back, separate her from her freinds. She already got teased, glasses, short, etc., not to add one more thing on her plate. You know when she went to middle school and made honor roll, I went back and told the principal, I am so glad I didnt listen to you, see where my daughter is now and how well she is doing. It is hard, but with hardwork and support of there parents, they will get. My daughter is in high school now, she still has resource, but does not attend, she attends a class that if she needs help she could get it and if not she could work on other work. She made the honor roll again, takes a forgein language, which the school had stated that she is the first resource student they have allowed to take a forgein language. So keep your chin up, do what you know is best for YOUR child, and get an outside assesment!!!