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SinglDad and others with opinions, let's take the gloves off and have a discussion about these issues. They are foundational to parenting, as sex (uniting sperm and egg) is what causes children. Can we try it, and see if we can keep it respectful, both of one another's reasoning skills and emotional responses? I think that reasoning and emotion are both valid modes of response to this core issue. I don't think we need to use any biological terms, either scientific or vulgar, as what I would like to be discussing is the social and relationship context of sexual activity. I would also like to include ideas about discussing the context of sexual activity with our children. I posit as a basic idea that educating our children is an "early and often" point, like Mayor Daley said about voting.

Gail, are you starting your own blog on here because you seem to be on your own. I'm afraid I can't get my teeth into what you are saying either.

  I was responding to a thread by tamz whose boyfriend has kids who are demonstrating a tad of hostility by using the shower she shares with him on weekends.  I'm not sure where her 7 year-old son is in the picture.  Anyway, I thought it would be unhelpful to put my opinion on that thread, just as it was when armyof1 wanted to wake up in the morning and make pancakes for her boyfriend's kids. 

  Anybody's welcome to disagree with me.  I just thought it was unproductive of me to tell people off when I thought (and it is just my opinion) that the stuff that they were doing was harmful to children.  So I'm keeping it over here, where people don't have to listen.  I spent a lot of time thoughtfully responding to singlDad's points, which he challenged me to do.  I have repeatedly requested responses to my points.  All I get is "we'll agree to disagree."  That's good too, but what I have been seeking all along is the opportunity to refine my own thinking.  

  When I am wrong or unclear, and I have been, often, I don't mind being told.  But nobody is obligated to either read or respond to these points.  In the future I will make note if I am responding to a particular thread so that it isn't confusing.  It's hard to strike a balance between making things clear and attacking somebody.  I figure that if somebody trudges through thousands of words to get to the last posting, they aren't going to be ambushed by my opinion, and they can just return to the other boards if they don't want to hear it.  I also think reading through the whole thing will make clear that I am not attacking them personally, I am just frustrated with the universally callous attitude towards the children's pain in these situations.

Hi gail... I wanted to let you know that my son makes the drive with me every weekend to my bf home.  He has a great relationship with the kids and my bf.  Everyone treats each other with respect and we all enjoy being together.  I am surprised that you view the kids using the shower as hostile... It never occured to me that maybe there was anything behind it except that the bathroom is much more elegant than theirs.  The reason I posed the question here first was  to see if I was being unreasonable before I approach it or just stop staying overnight. Thank you for your opinion ... I do see that at times his daughter may feel a little left out and if she is trying to feel important by sharing the facility with us then maybe i should back off like one person suggested. 

Me and my best friend are reading your thoughts... You are a poet... she posted a questions and I responded .. I could not really help her but thought you all would give a different perspective ... WOW!  Your responses are intense ... more than we expected from a family education site ... -

I (we) think it is unproductive to tell people off anyway... Most of us will defend our position because we came here to have others validate our feelings not offer a new perspective even if we pretend we wanted one.  I am glad that you are an advocate of the children and I think (our) question here  offered a perspective that I was surprised by.  I wanted a simple answer to what I thought was a simple question and I came away with much more.  HOWEVER, I think she washed the dog int he shower cuz he was dirty not because she is sending a message to me. 

I understand that I am offering opinions on things that I am not observing, as are others who are responding. An outsider's perspective can help you understand what your situation really is, but sometimes outsiders are clueless. I mean to say that you know your own situation best.

    Sometimes as I read the posts here, I think that it is like watching somebody park the car with the children inside on a railroad track. I can't just stand by and let it happen without saying something. But I get over-emotional and just look like a crazy woman. So I'll keep it over here. I do appreciate your very kind responses.

After reading many of you responses to many ppl here, i would say that if you "keep it over here" some ppl would not benefit from your (most of the time) sound perspective.  I think you have given some real solid advise and this is all about helping other parents & families. So, in my opinion, you should use your gift to keep helping ppl.  I could have benefited from a focused look at my issue and a genuine suggestion.

Once again, I thank you.  I will only put the conventional morality responses over here, so that when people see it, they won't be so blind-sided.  I wonder if one of the women who I was corresponding with felt that she was deceived by my kindness when she had time to read this philosophical position.  She disappeared from the boards.  It may have nothing to do with this.

    I don't want you to be ambushed. Here's another conventional, unpopular perspective that will make people mad. You don't have to read the rest. Let me preface this by saying that if you really do need to access child-care in order to provide basic food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, and transportation, I think you should find the best quality care that you can afford and there is excellent care available, but I think that people don't understand what it is that they are sacrificing when they work to get luxuries, and I include in that the luxury of an education, or a nice house (yes, this is in response to I want a baby, baby.). If you need an education so that you can support your family on just one job, and if you can get that education in just one year, that is reasonable, but long-term default, all day daycare is not optimal for children, families, or society.  

     When young children (up to age 5 or 6) are in non-maternal care more than 10 hours a week researchers can easily find negative effects. That means that for some children, 10 hours is too long. And don't get back on the Don't I deserve some happiness bandwagon. The short answer is, no, not if you have taken on the obligation of being a parent. Show the maturity to find happiness in being a parent, providing the necessities of life. And if you are a divorced or never-married father of young children, this is particularly addressed to you. Pay the alimony and child support. Add a little extra if you can.

     If you are the sole support of your family, and you have no partner who can care for the children, hang in there. Do the best you can. Find daycare that looks as much like maternal care as you can at least until your child can speak clearly, and drop in on them if you can, often and unannounced. You have my deepest respect and your children will know that you love them deeply, and your family may well be the strongest family of any. And don't read the next part, it is not addressed to you and it's really snotty.

    My little girl is in a new stage of her life. She is learning so many exciting things. She spends a good part of the day in an enriched learning environment, with mentors providing scaffolding for her as she develops new skills and incorporates new information into her intellectual schema. (I learned that from a child development course on TV.) She is also enhancing her social skills, learning to get along better with others from differing backgrounds, to express her needs and opinions appropriately. She is learning to share things with other children who are about her same age.

    I know there are some parents who think that they can provide these experiences at home, but I just don't think you can do as good a job as the professionals, who have a facility and equipment that you just don't have at home. I don't think we parents understand developmental stages of children as well as the people do who have spent years studying. The people who want to do it themselves claim that knowing your own child is more relevant. They think that they can provide enriched experiences themselves just using things at home, or community resources, but I don't think that is enough. They think that there is more value in a nurturing home environment, but I think kids are going to have to deal with lots of stimulation and a fair amount of chaos sometime in their lives, so they might as well be exposed to it now.

     They have a point about developing a strong maternal attachment. I think that children really benefit from knowing that their parents are really concerned about their well-being, but I don't think you have to be with them all the time for them to know that. And I read that they are smarter if they have multiple care-givers.

     I think, at the end of the day, when my little girl climbs under the covers, she knows how much her Dad and I love her, even if we haven't spent more than a few minutes thinking about her that particular day. We have other obligations that take up our attention, you know, and that's really OK. She probably hasn't spent a whole lot of time thinking about us, either. That's just the way things are in today's world. And there is a special word for the people that you go home to at night. When you are 19, like my little girl, they are called roommates.