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Discussion Title: I need advice on how to cope with the anger
Created by: MOMX4GIRLS Created on: Thu, 11/06/2008 - 11:13am. My 10 year old daughter is the oldest of my 4 children She has always been moody-- In the last 3 years she has become more aggressive and so angry that she scares me. <?xml:namespace prefix =" o" ns =" "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> She doesn’t ever want to take no for an answer and, will try to pull me into a control battle when she is being disciplined. Sometimes it works and it has become TOTALLY out of control. There is no way to speak to her when she is in this "zone". She has complete tantrums about whatever is her problem at that moment wither it be what she is going to wear to school, her chores, her attitude with others, homework, her sisters--- Basically she can't accept that 'no' means 'no', constantly answers back when I say something she doesn't want to hear, she demands your 100% attention or things spiral out of control, and she gets so angry that she cannot calm down. We are temporally staying at my parent’s home and have been here for 3 months, and the tantrums are not happening daily but are getting worse when they do happen. She responds well to my mother and is very close to her; they sleep in the same bed and do almost everything together. My mother will talk her out of her tantrums most of the time; I however approach it differently, and am far more strict and intolerant. She will show complete and utter disrespect for me, screaming crying basically freaking out, and now it’s turning violent. She's very argumentative with me, my husband and her 3 younger sisters and sometimes with her grandparents; she just generally just lacks respect with her family. This morning she became 'out of control' because I asked her not to shout at me, she immediately began arguing and called me a ‘stupid idiot’. I ordered her to get dressed for school but she responded by saying 'no'...'what are you going to do about it?' and so on. So I calmly moved her into her room which she automatically responded by hitting, kicking and pushing me. I maintained my position and told her to stay in her room all the time trying to remain calm and consistent. But when My husband came in saw her slap me across my face and spanked her…which just caused her to freak out and scream more, she was holding to me desperate for me to stay in the room, moments earlier telling me she hated me. All of the drama began about getting dressed. She wants everyone to do everything for her, but ONLYon her terms. I have tried to take a step back since coming to my parents to home because the only person she seems to respond to without constant anger and outbursts is my mother. But that has seemed to backfire and is just another mistake. You see When, my parents aren’t around to give her all the attention she demands peacefully, she will do ANYTHING she can to become the center with drama and anger and tears. It is a Rollercoaster, I have been on medications for Bi polar depression anxiety etc most of my adult life, and have some simplify for the waves, but the doctors all say she is fine, I think because she isn’t honest when I have taken her to the GP to get her evaluated to see a therapist. She acts like this at home only and acts mortified to have any know about the episodes, and will always say it wasn’t her fault. I called this morning and made an appointment with a therapist, but appointment is a month away. Every second of my time with this is filled with her screaming, and total lack of control. The school is Not having any problems with her. It is just aimed at her family, What can I do???!!??
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Replied: 11/8/2008 11:48am.
Please, please, PLEASE look up the Love and Logic method of natural consequince descipline. It saved our family unit, literally. We started out with the 1-2-3 Magic method which workes well with younger children but Love and Logic (Jim Fey) will do wonders for you and your girl if you are consistant with it. Good Luck.
Replied: 11/9/2008 5:29pm.
Yes You are right,
She is in control of the home because these outbursts or episodes or whatever they are take a toll on all of us. On occasion she will start to act out with my mother (never like she loses it with me or her dad) I am not againist spanking, by any means, but with this child it does not work, even as a smaller child it didnt. I do try to have special times just us...even then if its not what/when/how she wants it it will go horriably wrong. I do know I have spoiled her rotten and that she has a sense of entitlement like I have never seen before, even with that being said I worry its a deeper issue but again she does not act out in school, but I have seen her act very nasty with friends in our home.
She seems to take pleasure in the disruption and torment shes causes.
I have ordered The Total Transformation program from Dr. James Lehman after some research of the web, I am unsure if it will help, but I am willing to try Most anything at this point...
Replied: 11/9/2008 10:38pm.
I know so much of what you saying to be true. I sometimes feel I put my own issues or feelings onto her and why things are the way they are....that makes me distrust my gut feelings. Thank you for all your advice and suggestions, now I have allot to think about :-)
Replied: 11/19/2008 11:34am.
When your daughter went to therapy, were you in the room w/ her, or was it a private therapy session? Also, how long did she go for therapy? I think this is significant in diagnosing a problem if there is one. Don't just let a dr tell you your daughter is fine if you feel in your gut she's not. Get several opinions, and give the drs the chance to really get to know your daughter. W/ your history, it's important to find out if there's a problem and what you can do to help your daughter.
On the other hand, don't disregard SnglDad's advice b/c there is much truth to what he is saying as well. You need to be in control of the situation. You're the parent. I too am not 100% against spanking, and sometimes it's the only thing that works w/ my children. Use your judgement, but don't let your daughter run your life. Sometimes you have to back off and let children face the consequences of their actions. That's how they learn, even if it's the hard way.
Keep us posted on how things go for you and your family. In the meantime, however, try to remain strong. You have a responsibility to your whole family and yourself, not only this one child. Good luck.
Replied: 12/5/2008 11:52pm.
momx4girls,
It can seem so out of control when our kids do not respond to our efforts to discipline and hold them accountable. While it is difficult to tease out exactly what is going on with your daughter, it MAY be that she is just a barometer of the stress that is experienced after moving in with your mom. While it might be easiest to step aside and let your mom deal with some of the tantrums, I also think it is important for your daughter to know that you CAN handle her, that you CAN deal with her and that you CAN assist her in gaining control and displaying appropriate behavior.
If therapy is not an option...I would highly suggest two books..."Parenting with Love and Logic" and "Transforming the Difficult Child: The Nurtured Heart Approach". Reading these books and implementing the ideas can TRANSFORM your relationship with your daughter. It is important that you begin to tell yourself silently in your head, "I can handle this...I can help her...I know JUST what to do." Never, ever let her see you sweat...and keep your own emotion out of it...even if that means unloading later with your hubby or mom about the stress you are feeling. CALM is the main thing...stick with it, it will be worth it. Those two books can show you how. All of the therapy in the world cannot replace a loving/nurturing relationship with a parent. You CAN do this!
Good Luck!
Wendy...mom of 3
www.kidlutions.com
Replied: 2/6/2009 8:59pm.
I SERIOUSLY THINK SHES GOT SCHOOL ISSUES,IS COMING HOME WITH THEM,TAKING THEM OUT ON YOU.She needs the assurance that you'll sit and listen to her every word,hopefully understand where shes coming from.My youngest in only in 2nd grade,has had a bully pick on her basicly everyday.Weve even had to go to court,deal with it that way.We thought it was just her own doing till i was coming to school to pick her up,the boy bully through her to the ground,started pounding on her for no reason,it was awful..She started just the way i read in your story,now that i know more about her problem it seems to be getting better but the boy is on her case again because she wont fight back..
Replied: 2/19/2009 11:39am.
"she demands your 100% attention or things spiral out of control, and she gets so angry that she cannot calm down"
Don't give it to her. If she is acting in a way that is disrespectful, remove yourself from the room, do not respond to her. If she tries to hurt you, she needs to be put in a place where she cannot her you or herself. Turn the locks around on her door and lock her in her room. Leave her there until she calms down. If she destroys her room, or damages your property (that you paid for) she must pay for it. Natural consequence for destroying others property is pay for it. Sell her belongings. Make her do chores to pay for it, make her earn allowance and return it to you. Sell her radio, cd player, ipod ect...to pay for the damage. You have to protect YOU first. DO NOT allow her to hurt you. She needs to be put in a place where she cant verbally or physically abuse you. IGNORE the behavior and remove the source of the problem.