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Discussion Title: 5 year old who does what she wants
Created by: tigerson32 Created on: Tue, 07/31/2007 - 6:54pm. My husband and I are having problems with our daughter. She doesn't listen all the time, she thinks she can do what she wants when she wants to. I am frustrated because I really don't want to spank her or take things away, yet I am finding myself doing both. We have tried time out. She even goes there herself. I believe she is very smart, but tries us all the time. We do follow through with punishments and have been for the last 5 years. She still tries. I would think it would stop by now.
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Replied: 7/28/2008 11:28pm.
SnglDad,
I really like what you said about not rewarding for good behavior, that good behavior is to be expected. I also know what you mean about parenting styles changing, and how as a society, we've become too understanding. I cldn't agree more. I think rewarding for positive behavior works, but it shld be for those things that are extraordinary, like you stated. We had a potty training issue w/ my youngest son. We used to reward treats for making pee-pee in the potty, but now each time he makes pee-pee, he expects to get a treat. It's getting out of hand. Meanwhile, he often refuses to poop in the potty, but he still expects to be rewarded for #1. Not happening. Both my husband and I are pretty strict w/ our boys. My husband tends to have a lot less patience, however, so often I intervene. What I don't agree w/ that he does sometimes is get that drill sergeant attitude, demanding the kids to do something when they don't listen. I don't like negotiating w/ kids either, but there shld be some middle ground. There also shld be consequences set for certain actions. I think if you can keep a calm, cool tone, but still get your pt across firmly, that's best. You need to set a good expl for your children, and later on they'll thank you for it. SnglDad, I applaud you for your parenting methods. I can only imagine how difficult it must be doing it alone. I have another set of hands, and it's still really tough. Your kids are lucky to have such a good role model as their dad.
Replied: 8/29/2008 11:37am.
I'm also having the same problems!! I have a 6 year old son that doesn't listen, he thinks he can do whatever he wants. He tells me that I'm mean and that I love our 18 month old son more than him. He's in first grade and has started getting notes sent home. When we tell him what he "is" going to do, he screams and says he's not, he tells us "NO", and has even gone as far as telling me he will shoot me with his gun. (toy gun) I know he's just a child, but it does scare me when he says things like that. My husband is a Police Officer, so I believe he thinks he is too. My husband and I do believe in spanking (as a last resort), and we take things away and punish him, but still, nothing works. We try to spend time with him and love him but then he thinks we're supposed to do that constantly (spend time w/him). We can't be here all the time with him and my 18 month old is still a baby and gets into things, so of course we have to constantly keep an eye on him. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP!!! I don't know what else to do!!!!!!!
Replied: 9/4/2008 11:43pm.
SnglDad,
I really admire how you are raising your children and am envious of your success. I would love for you to share with me more of your techniques in getting your children to respect you and what you say/ask.
I am a single mother of two boys, ages 5 and 7. Their father is never involved, except when he visits them every two years.... Most of my family lives out of state, so it really is just the three of us. When you said "...We have given the power to children to run our lives, and our households" it is as if you are speaking directly to me. I feel so invisible sometimes. I know that I am the one who's allowed the problems escalate. I admit my follow through lacks sometimes. How do you do it all? And do it so well?
We DO have lots of good times - I am sure they know I love them more than anything. I know they love me more than anything. We laugh and play a lot. BUT, getting through the defiance of my 5 year old is proving to be the challenge of my life. Many days I end up in tears because I just don't know how to deal with him.
I take things away, I reward, I talk, I yell, I time-out, I swat butts, etc., but nothing works. Now, after only 3 weeks in Kindergarten, he's brought home 2 notes for me to sign because of his fighting on the playground.
I'm so lost and would truly appreciate any advise on how I can turn this situation around.
Replied: 9/8/2008 11:13pm.
Hello MBeth,
After reading your post (and your background), I was hoping you could elaborate on the "basic things" with regards to a strong-willed child. I have a 5 year old (almost 6) son who, though very bright and loving at times, is also very defiant 90% of the time and physically attacks me at home (hitting, biting scratching, etc.), grocery store, etc. He tells me to shut my mouth, calls me "fat", etc.
I have tried EVERYTHING including but not limited to consistent time outs, a reward system for good behavior, and spanking. Spanking (which we only used for about a month) had the greatest positive effect but I had him see a child-psych this summer & she said not to spank & that I could be hotlined for it!!! Mind you, he is far from abused and I was upset by her comment bcz it took me so long (and many disagreements with my husband) to agree to spank. When I spanked, I used a frosting spatula over pants with three short wacks. It was an "I mean what I say" spank vs. an uncontrolled frustration spank. .
At any rate, my family members are unsupportive and judgmental and I'm really at a loss when it comes to helping him, disciplining him, and establishing that I AM THE PARENT. I'll try anything.
So much for the hippie dippie parenting techniques I read from a book.
Replied: 9/11/2008 12:02pm.
Sumigo5....
OMG....you are a clone of my life! I also have a 6 year old son, 1st grader, and my daughter is 14 months old, and my husband is a police officer. My 6 year old since going back to school a few weeks ago has gotten COMPLETELY out of control! I have to tell him to do things 5 and 6 times, he also says we love his sister more, he doesn't threaten to shoot me with the toy gun but after dealing with him I am ready to beat my head against the wall! It's incredibly frustrating b/c i know what good behavior he is capable of, i have seen it! We've taken away the bike, tv time, sent him to bed 1/2 an hour early to no avail. We always eat dinner at the dinner table, ask him about his day, help him patiently with homework, play board games and it still never seems like enough. I also, have no clue what to do. His behavior this morning was the last straw for my husband and he's taking him out of football hoping it may work. He feels wouldn't shouldn't "reward" him when he won't behave. Alot of this makes me wonder if it all stems b/c his sister is a baby and still requires a lot of attention but at the same time, he gets alone time too. I don't know......anyone????
Replied: 9/15/2008 4:59pm.
My six year old daughter will not accept the word "no".
The fit that accompanies the word is ridiculous. I walk away, which infuriates her. I refuse to talk to her until she settles down. She loves playdates, and is fine in others homes, but once someone arrives here, she ends up in tears. I cannot handle her and feel myself losing it.
What can I do to get her to stop arguing and to use appropriate behavior? We have always been consistent in our discipline, she never gets away with it, but continues to fight us.
Replied: 9/16/2008 2:44am.
If she has a particularly hard time with playdates at home, perhaps you could use another location when it is your "turn" to be host, like the zoo or park or something.
You could also teach her how to respond to a "No." You could explain to her that sometimes people tell other people no. Not just adults to children, but co-workers, people on the train, airline ticket clerks, lots of people have to tell other people no, so we have to learn what to do when somebody says no. Then demonstrate the acceptable responses to the word "No." Take turns asking each other things, and saying no. Be silly.
Replied: 9/17/2008 5:07pm.
Punishment means “to subject to pain”, “to inflict a penalty”, “to put to painful exertion”. Thus, the word itself sounds so cruel to us, then imagine, how kids would feel when they sense that they will be getting one (doesn’t matter how mild a punishment could be).
Unfortunately, it will only work if you want to get things done out of fear and not with respect. Things that are done with the feeling of fear will leave a scar in one’s mind and heart and reflects negatively on one’s self-esteem. Punishment creates the feeling of vengeance, initially it reflects in anger and arguments, and later on can turn into violent behavior.
My sincere suggestion to you would be to do positive talk i.e. what is it that you are looking for instead of what should not be done. I am going to tell you a few techniques that have produced marvelous results for me with my 6yrs old daughter.
Because of those simple but powerful talks on a couple of occasions she actually started crying, and innocently said, “Mom, I am very sorry. I know I behaved very badly with you, but you are still very nice with me.” In response, I told her, “No dear, you are an angel, and I know you didn’t want to hurt me in reality, but your mind was not thinking right. Perhaps, next time, if you first think from you heart and then say things, then you will never ever hurt me again.”
For e.g.:
If they are throwing things, instead of saying, “don’t throw”, say, “ I would be really proud of you if you can put your toys neatly in the toy basket”.
If the room is messy and they are making more mess, do not use the word “not” in your sentence. Say (by boosting their self esteem) “I know you are very good in cleaning the room. Let me know if I can help you. I can be your little helper.”
If your kid is talking rudely, and exchanging arguments. Stop arguing suddenly and say, “Is there something bothering you? I can help you if you can share your feelings with me.” (Be ready to hear anything, but make sure, you are not even going to raise your voice to what you hear.).
If they say that they do not want to talk to you, and keep repeating words rudely then say, “I am sure; you are upset with something, which is why I can hear rude words from you. I know you are an angel who would never hurt anyone, not even with their words.” Stay silence for a couple of minutes and then say, “Though, I am very sad, because of the rude words, I know we can be happy again if we share our feelings. I am sure; both of us can fix the problem as a team.”
Make them feel that you are their friend and not their enemy. Assume, if you are doing the same mistake, and how would you want another person to behave with you, obviously, respectfully and politely. Thus do the same with your kid that you expect other people to do with you. Yes, they are little human beings, just like us, but much more emotional that we could expect.
Make them feel that they can trust you. And remember, make only those promises that you can fulfill. If you promise that you will not hit them, then no matter what, do not hit them, otherwise your kids will not trust you. If you promise that you will not get angry, come what may, do not frown and raise your voice. Instead make a sad face, and then reply.
There are a lot of other things that we could do to correct the situation, improve the behavior, and get what we want in result. It all depends on what your outlook is.
Best,
-Rakhi from cheenifortots
Replied: 9/24/2008 12:49pm.
I am a single parent and very so grateful I found this site. I was at my wit's end until about a week ago. I stopped taking my mother's advice and started asking my grandmother what she would do. My grandmother is definitely from the old school. She believes in discipline, discipline, discipline. In one week, I went from being frustrated with a child who was consistently disrespectful and disobidient. My grandmother said, "Put her in the corner and don't let her out for 5 minutes first, then 8 minutes, then 10, etc" She said one of my uncles once said in the corner for two hours!!!
I quickly found that my daughter does not like this punishment...hence, it's working!
I think also that what was said about us wanting to give our child love and friendship has overshadowed our need to give them the structure and discipline they really do need. This is, I think, especially the case with single moms. Before you ladies start fussing, remember...I'm one of you. I realized that I was giving my daughter things to try and replace the father that wasn't there. I knew what it felt like...my father had left me too...the only difference here is there is no mean stepfather for her to deal with.
I think we all just have to hang in there and be strong for them. Parenting is supposed to be the hardest job in the world.
Good luck!
Replied: 10/9/2008 2:05pm.
I was reading your comment, and agree about children not being respectful enough, and society accepting it, where discipline is lighter than it used to be. I have always told my son, since he wsa 2 - 3, what was expected, and reinforced it. He didnt always comply immediately, but he seemed like he learned by understanding expectations.
I am finding myself trying to reward his good behavior, to reinforce and remind him what he should already know. I do find myself spanking him, although I dont want to.. for throwing something, (at home today). I dont want to show him that hitting is okay, because he HAS to keep his hands to himself. I am getting so frustrated with his attitude., and the conferences I have had with the assistant principal and his teacher.
His problem is NOW he is in Kindergarten, and the first few weeks were okay, some minor incidents of disobedience, disruptiveness. (He did attend Daycare and PreK the two years prior, so he hasnt been living under a rock. ) His last few weeks have been continually worse, he is not handling his emotions well, running away, occasionally throwing something, handling dissapointment poorly, wont take time-outs., a relatively minor problem, cannot be resolved, and he escalates it. He has been sent home today, and I have to seek some kind of therapy. He is suspended from Kindergarten for tomorrow, his aggressive handling of his temper. His maturity is just not there, and I have to learn how to teach him these things.